你好!I am back with another very interesting post regarding AI. 我觉得人工智能最近随处可见,但是很多人抓不住人工这能的重点。(I think AI has recently been seen everywhere, but many people can’t grasp the importance of AI). To help myself and you guys understand more about AI, I interviewed Jeffrey Ding an assistant professor of political science at George Washington University who published a newsletter called ChinAI where Ding posts weekly translations of Chinese language writings about AI-related topics
Questions I asked:
Why did you make ChinAI?
Ding was inspired to start ChinAI after researching AI in China, and after sharing these articles with friends and colleagues at the Center for Governance of AI, and there was a huge demand for it. The demand for more translations led to Ding forming a newsletter which is how ChinAI was formed.
What was one of the interesting articles you have translated?
Ding replied saying that one of the most interesting articles he has translated was from a Qinghua Professor of Law Lao Dong-yan (勞東燕). The article was a very strong criticism of the Beijing Metro, and their attempts to install facial recognition in the subway for security. Ding thought that this article was very surprising because of the criticism out in the open and that this article shows that there is some pushback from Chinese citizens/academics against intrusive applications of AI.
After this question, I talked about a previous conversation in a different meeting where Ding talked about a guy that went into a real estate firm with a motorcycle helmet because the firm would use face ID to discriminate against customers, and the motorcycle helmet guy became viral. Ding replied saying that one of the largest issues with Face ID in China is price discrimination, which is one of the reasons why Ding believes that this went viral. Ding also talks about how because of the motorcycle guy, there was a lot of pushback from Chinese citizens which led to China trying to add more stringent personal information protection regulations, but it hasn’t been approved yet, so we shall see if companies will be willing to comply with these regulations.
I have been studying the war over semiconductors specifically in China, and I have been seeing this common theme of China copying many people’s ideas outside like the US, and do you think that this will eventually lead to the downfall of China just because they are copying a lot of different things? I also gave Ding an example from my research which was talking about Huawei using American semiconductor chips, and after the US cut off chips being sent to Huawei, the market crashed for Huawei.
Ding replied that my example talked more about the machines making the semiconductor chips. Ding also says that since the US has a strong lead in semiconductor manufacturing, even if Huawei knew how to make their own chips, it would be very difficult for them to replicate them because Huawei doesn’t have the advanced machinery that the US has to make semiconductors. Ding does agree though that part of the reason is that China does rely on foreign suppliers for key parts of the semiconductor chain, but he reminds me that in general that everyone is reliant on others. So even the US doesn’t have a self-sufficient semiconductor supply chain. Most of the US’s advanced semiconductors are manufactured in Taiwan, even though they are designed in the US. Ding believes that China is trying to take control of a part of the semiconductor supply chain where they can be very strong so other countries can’t cut off their access.
The next question I asked Ding was regarding one of the articles he translated called Taiwan Skin Mainland Bones. I was curious why Taiwan uses Chinese tech. https://chinai.substack.com/p/chinai-214-taiwan-skin-mainland-bones
This article was looking at specifically why Taiwanese surveillance was the same as a Chinese product from Hikvision. The main reason is that it is very difficult to enforce things like Made in Taiwan, Made in China, or Made in the US because you can’t just slap that onto a product. Part of the reason why they are relying on Chinese equipment is because it is cheaper, and it is one of the leaders in surveillance, so the Taiwanese company that is partnered with Hike Vision benefits from buying cheap equipment and selling it under the Made in Taiwan. Ding also talks about how there were provisions for selling Chinese equipment under a different name and this was also another thing that was very hard to enforce.
I asked Ding a follow-up question asking if Taiwan was putting Made in Taiwan over Chinese products because of the relations between Taiwan and China.
Ding replied saying that it was because Taiwan made a prohibition on public entities from using these Chinese security products. This is because Taiwan is nervous about spying and espionage which is why the Chinese government doesn’t want public entities to use Chinese surveillance systems. Because whatever footage is being recorded or communicated could be given back to the Chinese government.
What is your view on Tiktok? I have been seeing alot of news reports on how the Chinese government is taking and stealing information from Tik Tok users.
Ding believes that there are very real concerns about what data is being collected, and whether the Chinese government has influence over that part of Tiktok. He thinks that the security risk isn’t that high, because there isn’t much of a risk for blackmail when it comes to what US officials are looking at on Tiktok. Despite this, Ding is far more concerned about Tik Tok being used as a platform that enables influence operations, supports and boosts content that is in favor of the Chinese government, and suppresses content that is against the Chinese government. Overall, Ding believed this is far more troubling than the Chinese government allegedly collecting information. Ding further supports his point by saying that the data collecting is very real, but if the Chinese government really wanted this information, this was something that they could probably purchase from a third-party supplier so he is not as concerned about that factor.
Overall, I learned so much about 人工智能 (AI) from Ding, and if you want to learn more, visit Ding’s newsletter https://chinai.substack.com/